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City to ban pellet guns within its territory

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An ordinance before the city council is seeking to bar the sale and possession of CO2 pellet guns within city limits. Anyone in possession of a pellet gun will face a $100 minimum fine, according to the ordinance.

Patricia McNeil, a city resident, came before the council in February to inform council members of the dangers of the CO2 pellet guns. “These guns are so real looking that police cannot tell the difference,” said McNeil. “It puts our kids in danger.”

The ordinance defines the toy weapon as “a weapon filled with a disposable cylinder containing liquid carbon dioxide that acts as a pressurized gas filling the chamber allowing a high capacity shot of ammunition.”

McNeil mentioned an incident that happened in Napier Academy, a city school, where students were threatening each other with the guns leading to the principal confiscating the toy weapons. “As you know, we have armed police officers, with guns out there in our schools,” said McNeil, suggesting that if a police officer perceives the toy gun as a real weapon, he may be inclined to fire.

The city resident told the council she wanted the stores selling the pellet guns to stop. “Store owners are selling pellet guns to our children for play must be told to stop, and move these guns out of their stores,” said McNeil.

Council members sympathized with McNeil’s cause, some stating they would speak to stores in their respective wards to dissuade them from carrying the toy guns that resemble actual handguns. “Can you tell us which stores that you know of are actually selling the guns?” asked Kenneth McDaniel, councilman at-large, during that February meeting.

McDaniel wanted to know the locations of stores selling the weapons so he could visit the stores to discourage the owners from selling the realistic weapons to school children.

The ordinance allows for fines up to $2,000 and community service of up to 90 days to anyone caught with a pellet gun. Council members are set to vote on the resolution during the next regular meeting.

  • PERSON who had parents

    You people make me sick, stop with the fines and penalties none of that s*** works. People should do better parenting and stop blaming legislation bunch of idiots

  • Fred Frommy Colddeadhands

    bb and pellet guns are already un lawful to own in NJ without a firearm permit ..

    • guest

      What!!!where did you read that call the State of NJ.

  • Fred Frommy Colddeadhands

    I think Patricia McNeil is confused and possibly does not know the difference between an pellet gun and and Airsoft gun.Air soft guns have become vary popular in the last 10 yrs most air soft guns are spring powered and the more expensive long gun models are battery powered. Very few are co2 at all. Air soft does not fire a mettle projectile like a true pellet or BB gun. It fires a plastic projectile.
    I would hope and like to think our law enforcement professionals would know the difference between a toy or a real firearm (like they did when I was a kid playing cops and robbers on the streets of Clifton) Nobody got shot by mistake when I was growing up doing this . Its all this anti gun Liberal agenda that has people up in arms. We are set up to come to this conclusion buy our lawmakers who will tell and do the GOOD Law abiding citizens ..You have NO justifiable need to protect your self or loved ones outside your home in Patterson .. yet the same lawmakers can carry a firearm concealed on there person to protect their loved ones .. what do ya think about that ? Our SERVANTS carry fire arms but denies you to ..

  • Patricia McNeil

    People making these comments cannot have children or live in Paterson this is Paterson not the Wild West Can you at lease help keep our children safe? Be good there is no need to get mad. Help out!!

  • Patricia McNeil

    I do Know the difference Fred Frommy Colddeadhead be nice and help the children> I am not mad at you do not get mad at me. pellet guns are out and our community of Paterson and the airsofe gun are also. I am not confused so stop all the name calling you do not know me. People making these comments can not have any children you need to stop stop. Paterson is not the Wild wild West be nice and try to help. I am not confused. You need to stop and help

    • http://www.facebook.com/animalabusewar Animal Abuse War

      I don't know what part of Paterson you are referring to as not the wild west,possibly a bit of hillcrest,and the manor section? Because everywhere I go people have guns and are robbing us on every corner,carjacking,store robbing and doing home invasions.

      • guest

        Be nice call the police there are there to help

  • Fred Frommy Colddeadhands

    i am trying to help Patricia . by definition no store can sell a pellet or bb gun in the state of NJ unless they are a fire arm dealer. to lawfully purchase an bb hand gun you need a permit issued by the city.

    • Unc

      You need a FID card no "permit to purchase" is needed.

    • Guest

      Do you know where the children are getting the guns from if not from the store. Help!!! Do you really think the store keepers who may be selling the pellet guns want the city of Paterson to know. Please help/// So many people post do not live in Paterson

  • Fred Frommy Colddeadhands

    McDaniel wanted to know the locations of stores selling the weapons so
    he could visit the stores to discourage the owners from selling the
    realistic weapons to school children.

    Since when is a toy a weapon ? OH I see like a base ball bat ? McDaniel want stores to stop selling baseball bats ? and golf clubs ? because they are way more dangerous because you wouldn't expect to get hit with a bat when you see someone walking down the street with one

    • guest

      Be for real Pellet guns are not toy gun do your homework before you post. I would hope someone walking down the street with a baseball bat would be going to the park to play ball

  • Patricia McNeil

    Lastly if it not part of the community of Paterson NJ why are you a part of the discussion? I did a lot of work on this issue and know the facts. I have to go be nice.

  • Fred Frommy Colddeadhands

    if it matters my family is in Patterson on Hazel st if you knew your facts you would know you need a hand gun permit issued by the police department after back round checks and finger printing was done to purchase and own a bb gun or a pellet gun in the state of NJ. YOU ARE LYING

  • Fred Frommy Colddeadhands

    Lets say you have your way Patricia .. nobody can own or sell a AIRSOFT TOY gun in Patterson. Are you willing to have the town buy ALL the inventory from the struggling mom and pop stores Paterson ? be sure to add that to the budget and ordnance. Ask the tax payers while your at it during election time

    • guest

      no one mention airsoft guns airsoft gun are toys do your homework. pellet guns hurt.

  • Fred Frommy Colddeadhands

    focus on the REAL issues of Paterson .. Drugs , Dealers , Gangs , unemployment , and poverty .. The police and court system are up to their eyeballs with the real problems. Kids playing with toys UNLESS DOING HARM need not be added to the list

  • Unc

    You need a Firearms ID card to buy a Pellet gun in NJ, So no one is selling to kids Liar!!!!!

    • guest

      Who told you that do your homework call the State of NJ

  • Guest

    It's funny how People who know nothing about guns and the Hoops we have to jump through to get them want to make laws over me!!!!! I got news for you, That Crap is gonna Stop!!!!

  • Fred Frommy Colddeadhands

    Long gun FID but pistol is by permit only I'm still sure the issue is about toy airsoft guns local stores do not have pellet and BB guns unless they are a licensed fire arm dealer

    • Unc

      BB gun is NOT considered a HAND GUN!! NO PERMIT TO PURCHASE IS NEEDED TO BUY A BB OR PELLET GUN HAND OR NOT!!!

      • Fred Frommy Colddeadhands

        A pistol is a pistol a rifle is a rifle do a surch ask a cop check the link

        • Guest

          Ask a Cop?? They know less about the law than you!!! You DO NOT need a "Permit to Purchase" for a Pistol BB gun, You need a Firearms ID card thats it. I have 20 guns all styles and know more about these laws than most because I have too!!! There is no such thing as a "permit to possess"

      • Fred Frommy Colddeadhands

        BB Gun Pistol – Under 2C:39-5(b) a pellet pistol is considered a real firearm and therefore New Jersey handgun laws are also applicable to B-B gun pistols. Because a spring or elastic action pistol can shot projectiles which cause injury, in accordance with 2C:58-4, you need a permit to possess, carry or transport them just like a regular pistol. However, unlike unlawful possession of a real pistol which is second degree, if you are caught with an air pistol without the proper permits you are guilty of a third degree felony for unlawful possession of a weapon. Even though the charge is lowered to a third degree, the Graves Act still applies because it is a crime involving a gun so the exposure remains at 3 -5 years in prison with up to 3 years being mandatory without parole eligibility under the Graves Act.

        • http://www.facebook.com/animalabusewar Animal Abuse War

          and when you call Paterson police to report some neighborhood assh*les shooting cats with bb guns,and point out this law, they ignore you and simply tell the assh*les not to do it again.even the second time.

          • guest

            Sad who would hurt a cat, that can not be true because the Dog Catcher is waiting on stand by, pretty soon his staff will be on stand by, not true,

          • guest

            Please call the dog catcher he will come much quicker then the police. He may be on stand by. I do not have his number. Remember people on stand by are waiting for your call. Pick up the phone

    • Guest

      Pistol is a Semiautomatic hand gun, So the way you explain it is, I don't need a Permit To Purchase a Revolver!????

      • Fred Frommy Colddeadhands

        You need a pistol permit to purchase any hand gun

  • Fred Frommy Colddeadhands

    Unc look into NJ2AS it's a good group in NJ fighting to protect our family's

  • Unc

    City can only ban firearms on city property!!!!! Those kids were breaking laws already and they need to be put away.

    • http://www.facebook.com/animalabusewar Animal Abuse War

      Can they even ban them on city property?

      • Guest

        you need to be at the City Council meeting you are asking the wrong people

    • guest

      Stop and listen to yourself where are you putting the children the jail are to full.

      • Unc

        Democrats scream about we need new Gun laws!! These Monsters broke FIREARM laws that are on the books NOW!!!!!

  • Unc

    Just ban kids with guns, THE END lol Demotards!!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/animalabusewar Animal Abuse War

    How rediculous to say police might shoot kids thinking its a real gun.How about parents be held responsible for raising their kids up right or they get locked up.when we were young and went to school there was upmost respect for school and no need for police officers in them.Let's try raising kids instead of uneducated, disrespectful beasts.
    And if parents ensured their children are brought up properly, the thought of bringing a gun to school wouldn't even be an option,would it?
    Stop blaming the guns and blame the cr*p parents who cause these behaviors in their children

    • Guest

      True but not in the real world be nice there is no need for name calling I hope you do not talk like that in front of your children. For shame not nice.

    • Guest

      Did you see the guns

  • http://www.facebook.com/animalabusewar Animal Abuse War

    so if they're already illegal why is Paterson creating a law to "ban" them?

    • Guest

      To save the children the jail are too full

    • Guest

      Who told you there are illegal someone did not do their homework

  • Guest

    Pellets guns are legal in the State of NJ it is how they are used that make them illegal do your homework call the State f NJ. So you are all wrong. Do your homework before you post.

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