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City may seek waste-to-energy facility proposals; two firms express interest

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The city may seek proposals from firms interested in building a waste-to-energy facility in the municipality. Two firms have already expressed interest in building such facilities within city boundaries.

Pennsylvania-based Delta Thermo Energy (DTE) and Parsippany-based WSI Management have said they will both submit proposals once the city council approves a resolution opening up the request for proposals (RFP) process.

The city plans to weigh the proposals of various firms before considering a waste-to-energy facility within municipal borders.

“We’re going to go ahead and explore the idea to see if there’s any value in this type of a facility,” said mayor Jose “Joey” Torres. “We’re vetting it for the sake of transparency. And let’s just see what comes in.”

What’s bound to come in is a proposal by WSI Management which has a technology called Waste Elutriation Technology (WET) that turns refuse into composite bio-planking, electrical energy, and renewable fuel cubes for co-generation plants, according to Matthew Linda, vice-president of the Parsippany-based company.

“What we have is low-temperature steam that cuts the material up, turns it into feedstock, the feedstock is then turned into fuel pellets, and those fuel pellets are used in co-generation plants,” explained Linda.

Linda’s plant will cost $100 million to construct and operate. The plant’s construction will generate 80 to 100 new jobs, he said. He said city residents will be provided training and hired to run the plant. 80 to 100 employees are needed to operate the plant, he said.

Similarly, Delta Thermo Energy’s $45-50 million facility, will create 75 jobs during construction, and require 29 full-time employees to run the plant which will utilize technology developed in South Korea, Japan, and Germany to convert refuse into clean fuel through a process called hydrothermal decomposition, according to Robert Van Naarden, president of DTE.

Naarden explained the technology to council members few weeks ago stating waste is run through a pressure cooker like system that ultimately produces what is called engineered pulverized fuel (EPF), a black substance that resembles crumbed soil. This substance is then burned to produce electricity, he said.

Naarden’s company has yet to select a location to situate its plant, but it has been looking at a contaminated site in the corner of Madison and 3rd Avenues. He said his company would submit a proposal depending on what is being sought in the RFP. “If we can work something out together that would be fabulous,” said Naarden.

Linda said his firm is looking at a site near the border of Clifton.

Both firms have been lobbying council members. Both have also met with the mayor. Neither received a good reception from Torres.

Linda said he scheduled a meeting with the mayor to discuss his proposal some time ago, but the mayor cut short the meeting and dismissed his proposal for a waste-to-energy facility in the city. He isn’t alone Naarden’s proposal also received the cold shoulder.

The mayor has said Naarden’s proposal is little more than a cloaked incinerator. Naarden though denies it. In fact, he has told council members his facility produces no odor and does not release any smoke as is the case with incinerators.

Andre Sayegh, 6th Ward councilman, whose economic development committee, has brought forth the resolution, has said waste-to-energy facilities are the wave of the future. Not every council member though is convinced it’s the wave of the future.

“I’m not convinced of the idea,” said Kenneth Morris, councilman at-large, last Tuesday. “I have a fundamental concern when you’re talking about any type of waste facility being located in an already environmentally challenged urban center such as Paterson.”

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  • http://www.energyjustice.net EnergyJustice

    Why would Paterson want a technology that other communities are competing to NOT have? This IS incineration technology, and carries with it the incredible expense and pollution that comes with burning waste. It's far dirtier than burning coal, and dirtier than landfilling (and still will send toxic ash to landfills). I sure hope the city isn't gullible enough to throw money at consultants to study this, as so many other cities have, before rejecting it or having the plans fail on their own (or due to public opposition), leaving consultants wealthier and wasting public time and money.

    People should be asking why their deal fell apart in Allentown, PA after they had a 35-year waste contract with the city, and state air and waste permits in place — all of which were rescinded since September 2014.

    • CB

      <blockquote>"It's far dirtier than burning coal"</blockquote>

      Quantify that, please.

      I <i>don't</i> know a way to get lead and mercury out of coal, but I <i>do</i> know a way to get lead and mercury out of my trash.

      If you don't put heavy metals into the processing unit, how could you get heavy metals out?

      • http://www.energyjustice.net EnergyJustice

        No problem. It's all quantified on a page we have that you can easily find by searching for: worse than coal energy justice

        Summary: To make the same amount of energy as a coal power plant, trash
        incinerators release 28 times as much dioxin than coal, 2.5 times as
        much carbon dioxide (CO2), twice as much carbon monoxide, three times as
        much nitrogen oxides (NOx), 6-14 times as much mercury, nearly six
        times as much lead and 70% more sulfur dioxides.

        While maybe you can get lead and mercury out of your trash stream (itself, not an easy task), doing that community-wide is much harder, especially while various products still have these metals (and many other toxins and toxic chemical precursors) in them.

        Thankfully, we have more options for energy than burning coal or trash, and can meet our energy needs without burning anything. Also thankfully, we have better options for materials management than wasting them in expensive and polluting incinerators.

      • http://www.energyjustice.net EnergyJustice

        No problem. It's all quantified on a page we have that you can easily find by searching for: worse than coal energy justice

        Summary: To make the same amount of energy as a coal power plant, trash incinerators release 28 times as much dioxin than coal, 2.5 times as much carbon dioxide (CO2), twice as much carbon monoxide, three times as much nitrogen oxides (NOx), 6-14 times as much mercury, nearly six times as much lead and 70% more sulfur dioxides.

        While maybe you can get lead and mercury out of your trash stream (itself, not an easy task), doing that community-wide is much harder, especially while various products still have these metals (and many other toxins and toxic chemical precursors) in them.

        Thankfully, we have more options for energy than burning coal or trash, and can meet our energy needs without burning anything. Also thankfully, we have better options for materials management than wasting them in expensive and polluting incinerators.

        • CB

          <blockquote>"trash incinerators release… 2.5 times as much carbon dioxide (CO2)"</blockquote>

          If you know that carbon is biogenic, why are you counting it?

          100% of the carbon in biomass comes from the sky.

          It's carbon-neutral… or carbon negative, if it's pyrolised.

          I don't know what Paterson is planning on doing, but I would like to see some hard numbers on amounts of heavy metals coming from pyrolysis and gasification units.

          Carbon monoxide, and the nitrogen and sulfur compounds you mention are all easily reformed with proper oxidation. The heavy metals are a bit more tricky, and I would suggest if they are kept out of the system, they won't come out of the stack.

          • http://www.energyjustice.net EnergyJustice

            Nothing carbon neutral about biogenic carbon. Even the President Obama recently vetoed a bill in part because of blanket claims of biomass carbon neutrality that EPA couldn't even accept (and they've been among the worst in accepting the notion). A bunch of science in recent years has debunked the idea. Biomass burning releases 50% more CO2 per megawatthour than coal, and trash incineration releases 2.5 times more, which is affirmed by EPA eGRID data for the entire country's electric generation fleet. That extra pulse of CO2 is real and affects the atmosphere just as much as CO2 from coal does, and it takes about 45 years for trees to suck that up and for it to become just as bad as coal (if trees are regrown that wouldn't have been growing anyway), and it takes centuries to approach "neutrality." We don't have that kind of time to avoid global warming tipping points. Read the science on this, which I've summarized and cited here: http://www.energyjustice.net/biomass/climate

          • http://www.energyjustice.net EnergyJustice

            Nothing carbon neutral about biogenic carbon. Even the President Obama
            recently vetoed a bill in part because of blanket claims of biomass
            carbon neutrality that EPA couldn't even accept (and they've been among
            the worst in accepting the notion). A bunch of science in recent years
            has debunked the idea. Biomass burning releases 50% more CO2 per
            megawatthour than coal, and trash incineration releases 2.5 times more,
            which is affirmed by EPA eGRID data for the entire country's electric
            generation fleet. That extra pulse of CO2 is real and affects the
            atmosphere just as much as CO2 from coal does, and it takes about 45
            years for trees to suck that up and for it to become just as bad as coal
            (if trees are regrown that wouldn't have been growing anyway), and it
            takes centuries to approach "neutrality." We don't have that kind of
            time to avoid global warming tipping points. Read the science on this,
            which I've summarized in an article you can find by searching for: energy justice biomass climate

          • zlop

            "That extra pulse of CO2 is real and affects the
            atmosphere just as much as CO2 from coal does"

            Minor CO2 related weather effects have newer been measured.
            One could argue that, lowering of clouds and increased hydrological cycle would result.

            As for other emissions, extreme scrubbers and precipitators are needed.
            Air emitted should be comparable to being near a waterfall in a forest.

          • http://www.energyjustice.net EnergyJustice

            If you want air comparable to a waterfall in a forest, try not cutting down and burning that forest.

          • zlop

            Forests take up too much room, which could be used for crops
            and parking lots. Scrubbing the air allows greater population density.

          • CB

            <blockquote>" Biomass burning releases 50% more CO2 per megawatthour than coal"</blockquote>

            Uh huh, and if 100% of the carbon in that biomass came from the sky, how much more carbon went into the air between the time it started growing and the time you burned it?

          • http://www.energyjustice.net EnergyJustice

            That question doesn't even make sense. How much more carbon went into the air from what? You clearly haven't read any of the science, from the well-known Manomet Center for Conservation Sciences study commissioned by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, or any of the related science debunking biomass carbon neutrality. I already pointed out that there is no "neutrality" over any meaningful time frame. I'm not going to respond to any more redundant party-line talking points, but am happy to respond once you show that you've at least read the 6-pager I did outlining the recent science on the topic, which again, you can find easily by searching for: energy justice biomass climate (should be the first hit)

          • Sparafucile

            You're mistaking CB for somebody who's educated, knowledgeable, or proficient in any matter of science, or is interested in becoming so. She's not.

          • CB

            <blockquote>"How much more carbon went into the air from what?"</blockquote>

            …from burning the biomass.

            If you take an enclosed space, measure the amount of carbon in the air, grow a tree and then burn it completely, is there more or less carbon in the air when you <i>finished</i> than there was when you <i>started?</i>

          • http://www.energyjustice.net EnergyJustice

            I see. Well, it depends on what you mean by "burn it completely" since roots aren't usually burned. However, let's look at what the reality is, not some thought experiment. In reality, carbon in a tree is not causing global warming because it's not in the air. Trees are building mass in themselves, and underground in soils, storing carbon. We're not starting with empty boxes, but with forests that have already sequestered that carbon. Burning them takes away their ability to sequester more carbon, AND puts that carbon instantly into the air, at a rate 50% higher per unit of energy than coal. Even if you replant trees and cause additional tree growth that would not have otherwise happened (rarely the case), it'll take about 45 years for that new tree growth to suck up just that extra 50% (which means it's then AS BAD AS coal — not carbon neutral. We don't have 45 years to avoid global warming tipping points. Also, this is if the trees are let alone to grow for that long and aren't chopped down again in that time frame.

            If all we cared about was carbon, we'd be better off burning coal and planting trees than burning trees and planting trees. I'm NOT advocating burning either, though. We've helped stop many coal plants as well as biomass and waste incinerators.

            Burning any solid fuel is quite polluting, and there are other pollutants aside from CO2 to worry about, which is another great reason not to be burning anything for energy, since we have cheaper, cleaner alternatives.

          • CB

            <blockquote>"let's look at what the reality is, not some thought experiment."</blockquote>

            Lol! It's not actually a thought experiment, it's a real experiment, conducted by a real person who lived in the 17th century:

            <blockquote>"In what is perhaps his best-known experiment, van Helmont placed a 5-pound (about 2.2-kg) willow in an earthen pot containing 200 pounds (about 90 kg) of dried soil, and over a five-year period he added nothing to the pot but rainwater or distilled water. After five years, he found that the tree weighed 169 pounds (about 77 kg), while the soil had lost only 2 ounces (57 grams). He concluded that “164 pounds of wood, barks, and roots arose out of water only,” and he had not even included the weight of the leaves that fell off every autumn. Obviously, he knew nothing of photosynthesis, in which carbon from the air and minerals from the soil are used to generate new plant tissue, but his use of the balance is important; he believed that the mass of materials had to be accounted for in chemical processes."</blockquote>

            (Encyclopædia Britannica, 2015, "Jan Baptista van Helmont")

            <i>If you understand that 100% of the carbon in the tree came from the sky, what's the difference in atmospheric carbon between the time the tree started growing and the time you burn it?</i>

            Any day you feel like answering would be great, Mike.

          • Harald Hemming

            Thank God you are wrong- sorry! Biomass burning as you describe it has nothing to do with the evolving CHP technologies from Germany. We are not talking about an open fire or an sterling engine with 24% efficiency. The gas is purified and clean and converted to a syngas before it is used as thermal and electrical energy. The ashes kept are useful fertiliser. Forget about CO2 emissions. Not measurable or at least very low. Talk to these guys for more info:
            http://www.aht-pyrogas.

          • http://www.energyjustice.net EnergyJustice

            Harald… if I had a dime for every snake-oil salesman saying the same BS as you're spewing, I'd be a rich man. I've led fights that defeated many of these, including Delta Thermo Energy's attempt in Allentown, PA, where they had a 35-year waste supply contract and state air and waste permits — all rescinded in the past year. There is no control for CO2 unless you're talking about doing prohibitively expensive carbon capture and sequestration, which no one has done on these sorts of plants, and Delta Thermo is surely not considering. No trash incinerator ash has been used as fertilizer in the U.S., though some small efforts to use it for road base have been tried and failed. This so-called "syngas" is not the magically clean stuff you think it is. It's still full of toxins that are present in the waste being gasified, and toxic combustion byproducts will also exist — even if you put super-expensive pollution controls on, as none of them are 100% for any chemical contaminant. Even the incinerators in the U.S. with the best array of pollution controls are still among the largest polluters in the country, and make coal power plants look clean by comparison. The more you clean the air, the more toxic the ash gets because pollution control devices don't make pollutants disappear. Also, trash incineration is already the most expensive way to manage waste or to make energy in the U.S., so putting even fancier pollution controls on, or using higher-tech processes just makes them even more cost-prohibitive.

            I'm sure you feel you have some exceptional device that no one has tried before, which has none of these problems. I've heard it a million times. Feel free to email me anything with real data that you feel you can convince me with. Put up or shut up. I'm at mike at energyjustice dot net.

          • CB

          • CB

            Do you have any reliable and impartial studies on heavy metal output from pyrolysis or gasification with an unsorted MSW input?

            … maybe some info on dioxins too. Mike seems to be concerned about it.

            The people you linked to look really cool! It looks like they are focusing mainly on ag waste, wood and fossils though, not garbage.

          • Harald Hemming

            Yes, you are right. Their focus is on increasing efficiencies using BIOMASS such as, mixed timber, PKS, OPT, rice husk, and all kind of single density types of wood not garbage.

            I do have some analysis reports from impartial certification bodies in Germany, Korea and Malaysia. Just screened a few and find Si, S, N, H2O, C,

          • Harald Hemming

            My analysis reports focus on heavy metals from biomass not garbage. The below extract from a report I found This should be quite reliable! For more information in full detail regarding heavy metal from incineration of municipal waste try to get I touch with this lady in hamburg , Germany

          • CB

            Ich interessiere mich für intermischte Müll, aber die Nummern hier sind sehr klein!

            Neon, meistens 18PPM. That's like pure background noise, and the CO₂ numbers are also incredibly low, basically lower than the background as well.

            I'm impressed!

          • http://www.energyjustice.net EnergyJustice

            Not sure what you mean about nitrogen and sulfur compounds being reformed with proper oxidation, as if that makes them ok. At best, they come out as criteria air pollutants such as nitrogen oxides (NOx) and sulfur oxides (SOx), which contribute to ground level ozone, aggravating asthma, causing acid rain and various respiratory problems. …and that's if you're lucky and they're not coming out as something worse, like sulfuric acid or toxic thiophenes.

          • CB

            <blockquote>"Not sure what you mean about nitrogen and sulfur compounds being reformed with proper oxidation, as if that makes them ok."</blockquote>

            <i>You have nitrogen and sulfur throughout your body!</i>

            These elements are actually required for life.

            There is a fundamental difference between organic compounds like NOx/SOx and mercury.

            The former can be made into completely harmless substances.

            The latter cannot.

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